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    Pregunta para los expertos...

    A este punto de avance en el BAP Pisco, se puede discernir si tiene estándares civiles o militares en su construcción?

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    Simple respuesta: NO

    Pero preguntemonos: QUe significa estandar "militar"?

    Segun esta fuente:http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_MG236.pdf
    Design and construction.
    Commercial ships are, for the most
    part, large steel boxes with relatively small and simple propul-
    sion and navigation systems. Designing military ships takes
    longer because of their high equipment density, the large num-
    ber of sophisticated systems involved, and a desire to at least
    match the current state of the art. Construction of commercial
    ships is mostly a volume business that depends on simple steel
    forming and welding processes repeated over and over
    . The con-
    struction of warships involves the use of exotic materials, the
    installation of large amounts of high-value, sensitive equipment,
    and the satisfaction of more exacting standards.
    The testing
    process for military ships is more involved because it has to
    reflect the high technology and technology density of the ships
    and take account of multiple possibilities for mutual interference
    of advanced electronic systems.
    -En el caso de un LPD, segun este criterio, no habria tal cosa como "LPD de estandar comercial", pues este REQUIERE-por el solo y mero proposito de operar el dique- de estandares superiores a un navio "comercial".peeeero:

    The differences between military and commercial shipbuilding
    are not as great, however, for auxiliary vessels (oilers, sealift ships,
    etc.) and some amphibious warfare ships as they are for surface combatants and submarines. Auxiliary vessels are similar to commercial
    ships and are often built to similar standards, and testing can be less
    rigorous where weapon and sensor systems are few
    O sea: la diferencia entre estandar comercial y militar comparando buques auxiliares como el BAP Tacna, el LPD Pisco, incluso el LSHD del sur no es tan grande como comparar con fragatas y submarinos. El mas alto esandar de calidad-para comenzar-TOMA MAS TIEMPO DE CONSTRUIR, utiliza mejores materiales (acero AH-36 en caso del Pisco), requiere mas control de calidad de soldaduras, fittings, conexiones, cableado, tuberias, etc...
    Ahora:
    It cannot be said, for instance, that all military ships are more com-
    plex than all commercial ships. At one end of the spectrum are air-
    craft carriers, other surface combatants, and submarines, which are
    extraordinarily dense with large engines and high-technology systems
    and which are manned by large crews. At the other end are commodity carriers such as oil tankers and bulk carriers, which are essentially
    large steel boxes with relatively small engines at the rear and which
    are manned by one- or two-dozen mariners. The differences diminish
    when comparing military amphibious warfare and auxiliary vessels
    (oilers, supply ships, landing ships, etc.) and a few types of complex
    commercial vessels such as large research vessels, pipe layers, and
    LNG carriers. The less complex military vessels have many similarities
    to their complex commercial brethren with regard to high technology
    and technology density and are often built and tested to similar stan-
    dards. These similarities between some subsets of military and com-
    mercial vessels should be kept in mind throughout the following dis-
    cussion. In fact, we break out military auxiliary ships as a separate
    category
    .
    O sea, no se puede comparar "estandar militar" en un buque auxiliar o un anfibio con el estandar de una FFG, SSK o portaaviones, de la misma manera, un LNG "comercial" no tiene el mismo estandar de construccion de un carguero comun y silvestre.

    Y por obvias razones:
    Clearly, warships are much more expensive to build per LSW
    ton than are commercial ships. Among commercial ships, only cruise
    ships come close in price per ton to the least expensive warship: a
    small, lightly armed MEKO A-100 patrol craft.
    El costo de costruccion por tonelada de un buque de guerra es bastante mas caro que uno civil, pero no todo "mil-spec" es igual, de la misma manera que no todo "comercial" es igual pues hay distintos niveles de complejidad dentro de cada estandar dependiente del proposito del navio (ej: LNG, carguero, FAC, SSK, etc) Fijense en la tabla de costos reportada en el link (pagina 33 del documento, 56 en el .pdf)

    Espero esto ayude algo en tus intrigas
    Saludos
    Duck
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