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    Es por eso que para mi el caza soñado es el Super Hornet, combina belleza, electronica insuperable, maniobrabilidad, reducida señal radarica, cantidad y variedad de armas, alcance, gran supervibilidad en ambientes hostiles, facil de mantener y es el mas robusto de los cazas, preparado para operar en ambientes marinos con " estrelladas" controladas cada vez que aterriza en un portaaviones.
    No confundamos calidad de diseño y acabado con fragilidad, se sabe de un Hornet que regreso con dos impactos de misil en Irak, y de un F-15 que aterrizo luego de perder casi toda un ala en Israel.
    Ademas en cantidad de horas de vuelo y vida util, nadie supera a los aviones USA, sino que lo digan los operadores de F-16 en el mundo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arquitecto View Post
    Es por eso que para mi el caza soñado es el Super Hornet, combina belleza, electronica insuperable, maniobrabilidad, reducida señal radarica, cantidad y variedad de armas, alcance, gran supervibilidad en ambientes hostiles, facil de mantener y es el mas robusto de los cazas, preparado para operar en ambientes marinos con " estrelladas" controladas cada vez que aterriza en un portaaviones.
    No confundamos calidad de diseño y acabado con fragilidad, se sabe de un Hornet que regreso con dos impactos de misil en Irak, y de un F-15 que aterrizo luego de perder casi toda un ala en Israel.
    Ademas en cantidad de horas de vuelo y vida util, nadie supera a los aviones USA, sino que lo digan los operadores de F-16 en el mundo.
    Ya sabes que pedir en esta navidad
    Algo que si me llamo la atencion, fue que mencionastes que en vida util son los mejores, cuantas horas???

    Sobre lo de los misilazos que le cayo al Hornet, fue del tipo IR y con metralla (lo supongo claro), aun asi... es ROBUSTO.

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    Cuando saque mi licencia para volar modelos a escala me compro uno..jejeje

    Aqui una posible explicacion de porque del recorte en la produccion del carisimo f-22

    Al parecer el F-18G Growler tuvo algo que ver...jejeje pues segun comenta el piloto, lo alcanzo con un AAMRAM (no que no se podia con misiles de largo alcance?)

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...boasts-f-.html





    Ademas este lock on sobre el F-22 a tiro de cañon se le atribuye a un Super Hornet, cosa que me gustaria poder confirmar,si alguien tiene mas info al respecto se agradeceria.



    F-22 vs. F-18G growler for funding
    The need for more F/A-18G electronic warfare aircraft played heavily in the decision to halt F-22 production at 187 jets, says U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
    U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James Cartwright, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says it is important for operational reasons to keep the F-18 production line running. (JEWEL SAMAD / AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE)

    Cartwright told the Senate Armed Services Committee on July 9 that he was one of the "most vocal and ardent supporters" of ending the Raptor program at 187. Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced the decision, along with about 50 other program cuts, in early April.

    Cartwright, appearing before the panel for a confirmation hearing as part of his nomination for a second stint as vice chairman, said the Joint Staff and Air Force had just concluded a study on sizing the F-22 fleet.

    He said the study concluded it was more important to focus on fielding fighters for all three services "because of how we deploy." It ultimately endorsed ending the F-22 program at 187 jets and fielding more F-35s and both models of the F-18 fighter.

    Cartwright said the latter jet's Growler model, designed for electronic warfare tasks, became a key part of the decision to halt the F-22 program.

    That's because the military's war fighting commanders, in conversations with Cartwright, all expressed a desire for more aerial EW capability. And right now, that means more Growlers.

    Cartwright said Pentagon brass have three priorities for tactical aircraft: field fifth-generation fighters; "keep a hot production line"; and keep open the F-18 production line, largely to maintain the flow of new Growlers.

    The latter is key, he told the panel, because a hot F-18 line means "we can also produce front-line fighters" - the F/A-18 E and F models - for traditional fighter aircraft missions.

    Lockheed Martin makes the F-22 and F-35 fighters; Boeing makes the F/A-18.

    Both the House and Senate Armed Services Committee in their versions of 2010 defense authorization legislation have added funds for more F-22s.

    Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said the 2010 defense authorization bill is scheduled to lead off the full Senate's agenda next week.

    Meantime, in written answers to policy questions posed by the Senate panel, Cartwright called for changes in the makeup of the Pentagon's Joint Requirements Oversight Council (JROC). The panel is composed of the vice chairman and the vice chiefs of the military services; it is charged with validating service requirements for new weapon systems.

    He advocates officially designating the Joint Staff vice chairman as the chair of the council, with new powers.

    One idea he endorsed is "investing the chairman of the JROC with the authority to make the final decision on the requirements after having heard and reviewed the membership positions of the members of the council."

    He also wants to expand the council by adding members from the combatant commands, the Pentagon policy shop, the office of the Pentagon acquisition chief and the Defense Department comptroller's office. Such a move, he wrote, would "ensure the JROC clearly understands the war fighter's concerns and issues before decisions are made."

    Under his proposal, the acquisition, policy and comptroller representatives would be made "permanent members."

    Cartwright also wants the JROC chair to be given the authority to field out work to military commanders.

    The vice chairman "should have the authority to delegate, when appropriate … decision-making authority to the commander of a functional combatant command for specific capabilities or a portfolio of capabilities," Cartwright wrote.

    Cartwright's written testimony also told the panel Pentagon leaders have concluded "there are not enough ISR assets to support requirements in Afghanistan, and those are growing." The vice chairman did not disclose any efforts to field more ISR systems.

    Additionally, under questioning from Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., Cartwright said the military will need to develop a new nuclear-capable bomber aircraft.

    Adm. Robert Willard, appearing before the panel at the same time for his confirmation hearing to become U.S. Pacific Command chief, agreed.

    The military officials said the Pentagon is conducting a high-level Nuclear Posture Review that will play a large role in determining how the department will proceed with future bomber plans.

    The next-generation nuclear bomber they envision, Cartwright said, could be a different aircraft than the military's next conventionally armed bomber, or "it could be a different variant" of that plane.

    The 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review ordered the Air Force to field a new bomber by 2018 - but that date is now in question. Gates has frozen that program, pending outcomes of the nuclear study and the 2010 QDR.


    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...47&c=AME&s=AIR
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    Esta seria la pantalla que Boeing esta proponiendo para el futuro SuperHornet/UltraHornet, similar al F-35, y con las mismas funciones.
    Se trata claramente de una proposicion artistica, pues en la pantalla se ve la silueta del F-35


    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_S1Gu2hX9S6c/TA...SU/s800/18.jpg

    A proposito, a los SuperHornets Australianos les han colocado el cableados para poder ser usados para guerra electronica, y no tener que hacerlo mas adelante. En Otras palabras, todos podran ser usados como Growlers o aviones de ataque electronico para eliminar defensas y perturbar radares.

    Esos aviones van a quedar de temer.

    http://weapons.technology.youngester...aded-into.html
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    Y volviendo al Hornet clasico, Australia le siguio los pasos a Canada y los puso a punto hasta el año 2020, aqui en Canada

    http://weapons.technology.youngester...-upgraded.html

    http://www.mas.l-3com.com/home.asp?Lang=F

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    Super Hornets para Japon?


    El F-35 parece haber sido descartado del concurso y al parecer Eurofighter no tiene el mismo apoyo polico en el concurso ademas que lo consideran muy complicado de mantener.
    Ademas que Japon tiene absoluta interoperatibilidad con USA y Boeing permitiria a Japon participar en el desarrollo del Global SuperHornet.

    Aqui una entrevista con el Vicepresidente de Boeing que menciona cosas interesantes.

    Para el, el termino "marketero" 5a Generacion es un invento de Lockheed Martin y no significa nada.
    La USNavy esta muy impresionada con el SuperHornet y lo apodan el rey de reyes y seguira hasta el 2040.
    Tiene una fuerte interoperatibilidad con los destroyers Aegis
    Considera al F35 incompleto.
    Ambos el F35 y el SuperHornet son producto de la misma base de investigacion del gobierno de USA


    Interview with Boeing Vice President Robert Gower < link >

    - Mr. Gower insists that "5th-gen" is just a marketing term coined by Lockheed Martin, and doesn't mean anything. Both Super Hornet and F-35 are the product of same basic US government research.


    - US Navy is impressed with Super Hornet and nicknames it "King King"

    - Super Hornet is planned for use until 2040.


    - Super Hornet has strong interoperability with Aegis destroyers.

    - Japan will be able to access Super Hornet's flight controller and sensors.


    - Japan shouldn't be satisfied with merely license producing Super Hornet, but participate as a partner in the next version, called "Global Super Hornet" scheduled for introduction in 2020~2025.


    - Global Super Hornet project will start in late 2010 or by early 2011.

    - Eurofighter Consortium is too complicated in terms of management. Participating in Boeing project is far simplier.


    - F-35 is an incomplete fighter.

    Que oportunidad desperdiciada para la industria aeronautica Brasilera, si Boeing decide fabricarlos con los Japoneses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arquitecto View Post
    Super Hornets para Japon?
    Los phantoms japoneses estan por cumplir casi 40 años al servicio de la JASDF, por lo que estarían buscando su reemplazo. El F-22 habría sido su primera opción, pero los gringos no se lo venden a nadie, sobre el F-35, al no haber participado en su desarrollo, Japón se situaria muy atrás en la lista de espera y dada la necesidad de reemplazar ya a los "viejos" F-4, también se descarto.

    La no elección del eurofighter se debería mas a factores políticos (aunque aun no hay nada dicho), finalmente habrían de quedar dos candidatos: el F-18 superhornet y el F-15 silent eagle.

    Cualquiera de las dos serian excelentes plataformas en las SDF.

    Saludos.
    猿も木から落ちる。 (Saru mo ki kara ochiru)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y56 View Post
    Los phantoms japoneses estan por cumplir casi 40 años al servicio de la JASDF, por lo que estarían buscando su reemplazo. El F-22 habría sido su primera opción, pero los gringos no se lo venden a nadie, sobre el F-35, al no haber participado en su desarrollo, Japón se situaria muy atrás en la lista de espera y dada la necesidad de reemplazar ya a los "viejos" F-4, también se descarto.

    La no elección del eurofighter se debería mas a factores políticos (aunque aun no hay nada dicho), finalmente habrían de quedar dos candidatos: el F-18 superhornet y el F-15 silent eagle.

    Cualquiera de las dos serian excelentes plataformas en las SDF.

    Saludos.
    Tenia entendido que el Silent Eagle no estaba en la carrera, pues se trata mas de un avion de supremacia aerea neto y no de un multirrol, que es lo que ellos requieren en este momento.

    En todo caso, ambos son de Boeing y los dos son extraordinarios, aunque en este momento me parece que el Super Hornet esta un paso adelante del Silent Eagle en electronica y señal radarica, sobre todo con los Growlers y lo estara mas aun cuando salga el Block III Ultra Hornet, con señal radarica aun mas baja y motores 20% mas potentes, ademas de su ya conocida maniobrabilidad.





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