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    Doorman,

    No haga (más) el ridículo, y dejese de trolear y de hacer comentarios de mal gusto. La cosa aquí es bien facil:

    Ud. primero dijo que no hay informes. Se le compartió referencias a dichos informes.

    Luego resultó que para Ud. las notas escritas por israelíes valen menos (vaya justiciero social nos salió). Del mismo modo, tampoco le gustaron los informes desclasificados de los imperialistas/fascistas de los franceses (plop), y terminó solicitando informes de la OCPW [sic]. Pues servido.

    No venga luego con niñerías como "ah, es que la OCPW puede estar parcializada" (una hora luego de que Ud. mismo solicitó esos mismos informes como evidencia dirimente) y que "es el estándar OTAN".

    Mejor sea honesto desde el comienzo e deje claro que no va a aceptar otra cosa que una declaración unánime de la Liga Global del Hambre y Autocracias Unidas (ya sabe, esos países donde los opositores comen sandwiches de Polonio y donde la población no llega a los 60 años con la dentadura completa).

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    No...creo que solo se reduzca a lo que dice.

    NI lo uno ni lo otro.
    Los rusos no son blancas palomas, menos el gbno Sirio.Pero que sean Tan Idio-tas no creo.
    Se indica la presencia de....Pero no quien lo puso ahí.

    Y de nuevo repito que en todos los casos se encontró y es una constante. Hasta en el caso del espía ruso envenenado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goliath View Post
    Doorman,

    No haga (más) el ridículo, ydejese de trolear [/U] como evidencia dirimente) (ya sabe, esos países donde los opositores comen sandwiches de Polonio y donde la población no llega a los 60 años con la dentadura completa).
    Trolear yo?......Que es eso?.




    Sobre Polonio radio activo ,este personaje :






    Arafat sabe el sabor que tiene el Polonio con varias tasas de café que le enviaban del otro lado del muro para asesinarlo. Y era un lider de una nacion o pueblo(Cómo el de Ukrania que vivió para contarlo) .Y no pasho nahhh! !!

    Pero si lo hacen los otros,rusos y Árabes malos. Naciones unidas y todo el aparataje incluido, la expulsión de diplomáticos ...Y el circo mediático.

    Ahora acusan a la retrasada Rusia de hackear a occidente.

    Da lo mismo si los rusos son de izquierda derecha o nada.El problema es que no están alineados a Occidente ni a la potencia.Peor si compite y desafía la hegemonía.

    Ese es el problema de los rusos y Árabes malos. nada más.

    Si no son los rusos o árabes o son los persas malos. O son los Chinos! !! LPTQTPO !
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOORMAN View Post

    Arafat sabe el sabor que tiene el Polonio con varias tasas de café que le enviaban del otro lado del muro para asesinarlo. Y era un lider de una nacion o pueblo(Cómo el de Ukrania que vivió para contarlo) .Y no pasho nahhh! !!

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-closed-france
    France closes Yasser Arafat murder inquiry with no charges brought

    Widow maintains former Palestinian leader’s death in 2004 was result of polonium poisoning but prosecutor says ‘sufficient evidence’ not found

    French judges investigating claims that the former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was murdered have closed the case without bringing any charges.

    “At the end of the investigation … it has not been demonstrated that Mr Yasser Arafat was murdered by polonium-210 poisoning,” according to a statement from the prosecutor from the court in Nanterre, near Paris.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34135596
    Arafat poisoning inquiry dropped by French prosecutors

    French judges say they have dropped an investigation into claims Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was poisoned.

    Arafat died in Paris in 2004, aged 75. His wife says he was poisoned, possibly by highly radioactive polonium.

    The claims were seemingly backed up by tests carried out in Switzerland.

    But a statement by prosecutors in Nanterre, near Paris, said polonium poisoning had "not been demonstrated" and that they would not continue their inquiries.

    [....]

    Three teams of French, Swiss and Russian investigators were allowed to take samples from Arafat's tomb in Ramallah in November 2012.

    But, earlier this year, one French prosecutor said the polonium samples were of an environmental nature.

    Swiss scientists said they had detected high levels of radioactive polonium but could not say if it had caused Arafat's death, while Russian experts concluded he died from natural causes, not radiation exposure.

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...or-says-394173
    Arafat was not poisoned, French prosecutor says

    The French experts “maintain that the polonium 210 and lead 210 found in Arafat’s grave and in the samples are of an environmental nature.”

    A French prosecutor said that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat did not die of poisoning.

    The prosecutor told the French news agency AFP that French experts found that Arafat was not poisoned, despite rumors to the contrary.

    [...]

    The medical report published after Arafat’s death listed the immediate cause as a massive brain hemorrhage resulting from an infection. Doctors ruled out foul play; some had contended that Arafat died of AIDS.

    http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/1...n-arafat-death
    French Experts Say No Foul Play in Arafat Death

    French experts have ruled out that the 2004 death of iconic Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was the result of poisoning, a prosecutor told Agence France-Presse Monday.

    The prosecutor of the western Paris suburb of Nanterre said the experts found there was no foul play in Arafat's death, which sparked immediate and enduring conspiracy rumors.

    [...]


    (.... la investigación está parsialisada yaaaa!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcornelio2 View Post
    Saludos cordiales, sobre el derribo del II-20M ruso, en el blog de Charly hay una lectura recomendada sobre las pruebas rusas culpando a la IAF se basa en datos del S-400.
    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/0...o-ve-todo.html
    Sensacional ese "análisis" de ese blog sorbetón, peeeero...

    Damascus under attack

    Perhaps the closest these confrontations have come to an international conflagration was the night of September 17, when four IAF F-16s attacked a weapons facility in Latakia on the Syrian coast. According to reports circulated by the Russian defence ministry, the F-16s were carrying Boeing-made GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs).

    IAF aircraft targeted a site used to upgrade rockets for GPS guidance. The objective was a warehouse some 525ft (160m) long and 197ft (60m) wide. Footage of secondary explosions was posted on social media, suggesting the facility stored a considerable quantity of explosives.

    Unfortunately, following the attack, it seems Syrian air defences began to fire SAMs indiscriminately. At least one missile from an SA-5 battery hit a Russian Il-20M Coot electronic intelligence (ELINT) aircraft patrolling the eastern Mediterranean, downing it and killing all 15 on board. As they had when downing the Israeli F-16I on February 10, it seems Syrian air defences fired missiles in salvos in various directions, hoping the SA-5’s large warhead would score a hit.

    Based on Israeli accounts, the Syrians fired their salvos well after the IAF aircraft returned to Israeli airspace. The Russian aircraft was apparently returning from a routine patrol and came down in the Mediterranean around 19 miles (30km) off the Syrian coast.

    In an effort to clarify its actions, Israeli military officials took responsibility for the initial strike against the weapons facility. Jerusalem then stressed that the Russian aircraft was shot down well after Israeli fighters returned to Israeli airspace, when there was seemingly no threat to Syrian forces. Another aspect is the danger these missiles pose to civilian air traffic – notably, Beirut International Airport, further along the same coastline.

    Defence Minister of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu issued a statement blaming Israel’s recklessness for the incident. Shoigu stated: “The Israeli defence ministry’s actions are not in the spirit of Russian-Israeli partnership, so we reserve the right to take retaliatory steps.”

    After 24 hours in which the situation threatened to worsen, a conversation between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin seemed to have cleared the air somewhat. Putin backtracked on Shoigu’s earlier statements, stating that the downing of the aircraft was the result of a “tragic chain of circumstances”.

    Israel committed to providing Moscow with full disclosure, sending IAF Commander Maj Gen Amikam Norkin to Russia to brief defence officials on what transpired that night from the IAF’s perspective.

    Shootdown analysed

    Analysis by former IDF Intelligence chief Gen Amos Yadlin, a former fighter pilot, was extremely critical of Russia – pointing to a lack of professionalism with regards to flying in a combat airspace. He noted that even according to Russian accounts, 25 minutes passed from the time of Israel’s warning until the aircraft was shot down. He stressed that there was ample time to divert the aircraft away from the area of operation and not in the direction of outbound Syrian missiles.

    Yadlin further stressed that it would be expected that the Russians and the Syrians would be better co-ordinated and not so negligent, given that Syria launches such a large amount of SAM ordnance. He said the fact that no civilian traffic has been affected by Syrian air defences until now is nothing short of a miracle. Yadlin contradicted Russian defence ministry claims and stated that IAF aircraft were crossing the Israeli coastal city of Haifa at the moment the Russian Il-20M was hit.

    Israeli sources claimed the Iranian facility was situated intentionally close to the heavily defended Russian enclave around the ports of Latakia and Tartus in an effort to shield it from the IAF.

    (...)

    As confirmed by the Israeli source, IAF aircraft are geared to avoiding contact with possible surveillance aircraft in a heavily saturated airspace full of different intelligence-gathering assets. Theories have been raised that the downing of the Il-20M was an attempt by Syrian and Iranian forces to drive a wedge between Israeli-Russian deconfliction measures in a move to prevent IAF strikes against IRGC targets. Given Israel’s claim – along with Gen Norkin providing evidence of Israel’s actions – this theory is not altogether impossible.
    FUENTE: Yissachar Ruas, 'A not-so-silent war' - AirForces Monthly #368 (noviembre 2018 ), pp.38-39







    Saludos
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    ¿Cuantos días llevamos ya que no se produce ningún ataque aéreo hebreo sobre Siria ?....

    La Realidad era que con baterías de la era Soviética S-200 y Buk le negaron el espacio aéreo a cazas enemigos.Ahora con el poco mas capaz S-300 parece que se acaba la fiesta y solo queda el uso de armas de largo alcance o el sabotaje.

    Según informes ,Rusia le entregó a Siria S-300PM con una versión intermedia (que no es tan vieja ni tan reciente) y que estaría en Siria adaptándolos a la versión S-300PMU-2 "Favourite" de exportación para que los Sirios manejen sus propios códigos y frecuencias de su sistema antiaéreo separado del ruso.

    Por otro lado,el sistema permitirá por ejemplo detectar a cazas israelíes despegando desde sus bases y conocer anticipadamente sus rutas.
    El punto ciego del sistema y de todos los sistemas en Siria incluidos los rusos, es la vía por territorio Jordano formadas por montañas y corredores protegidos entre montañas.Y que únicamente se exponen los cazas israelíes al tomar altura para lanzar su ataque desde cielo Jordano.

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