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    hola,

    aqui les un ejemplo de lo util que le ha sido a Iran tener la capacidad de fabricar el jeep "Safir"




    el "Safir" es un vehiculo simple, pero que se está fabricando en grandes cantidades


    Safir (meaning "ambassador") is an Iranian 4x4 multipurpose military vehicle built by Fath Vehicle Industries.[3] This vehicle was officially unveiled in 2008. In the ceremony, Iranian defense minister said that 3000 Safirs were built in that year and Fath industries will deliver 5000 more vehicles to defense industry per year

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safir_%28vehicle%29

    Irán está mandando cientos de estos jeeps "Safir" (armados con lanzacohetes multiples) a Irak para luchar contra ISIL

    Estos jeeps con su gran poder de fuego, están ayudando a inclinar la balanza a favor de las milicias 'Shia' en Irak







    Safir trucks are by far the most visible indicator of Iran’s support. The tactical vehicles have been making an appearance in Iraq since the beginning of Iran’s push to oust Islamic State.

    While Islamic State has to rely on commercial vehicles like Toyota pickup trucks to quickly move around, Iranian proxies in Iraq enjoy access to the purpose-built Safir.

    The Safir is a 4 x 4 modeled after the iconic American M-38 and M-151 jeeps, which Iran claims to have put the into mass production by the thousands in 2007. Those numbers are hard to confirm, but judging by Shia militia propaganda, they’re certainly plentiful.

    In the days before Iraqi forces finally cleared Tikrit of Islamic State fighters, social media imagery showed columns of Safirs clogging the roads on the way to the city.

    The Safir can carry a handful of weapons systems. The most common is the 107-millimeter Fajr-1 rocket system, courtesy of Iran’s Defense Industries Organization.

    The Fajr-1 is more or less a vehicle-mounted version of the popular Chinese Type 63 rocket, which have been around since the 1960s.

    The 12 unguided rockets aren’t very accurate, but the militias used them in great numbers of pound Islamic State positions around the city.

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ira...t-7b598886bd4c
    y lo que no pudo hacer EEUU con sus bombardeos en Irak, lo está logrando Irán y sus cientos de jeeps "Safir" -- recuperar la ciudad de Tikrit.



    curiosamente, y NO es coincidencia... Venezuela tambien tiene la capacidad de fabricar su propio vehiculo 4x4. El "Tiuna", de los que ya se han fabricado mas de 2,000





    asi que en mi humilde opinión: Bien haría el EP en adquirir la capacidad de fabricar 1 tipo de vehiculo a ruedas (cualquiera que sea), porque si se fabrica en grandes cantidades y están adecuadamente armados (por ejemplo como los 'Safir' iranies con lanzacohetes multiples), darían una ventaja importantisima al EP en cualquier tipo de conflicto externo.

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    Aclaración, no es que el Jeep en cuestión este logrando tanta maravilla de avance, sino es el compromiso de IRAN con personal, milicias, entrenamiento, armas etc.
    USA quisiera mandarse una guerra terrestre también lo consigue y mas rápido diría , solo que no se arriesgan con vidas solo bombardeos y nunca un bombardeo sera final , si el infante no toma esa posición.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilopondio View Post
    Aclaración, no es que el Jeep en cuestión este logrando tanta maravilla de avance, sino es el compromiso de IRAN con personal, milicias, entrenamiento, armas etc.
    USA quisiera mandarse una guerra terrestre también lo consigue y mas rápido diría , solo que no se arriesgan con vidas solo bombardeos y nunca un bombardeo sera final , si el infante no toma esa posición.

    Saludos
    Digamos que el despliegue masivo de este tipo de vehículo es un indicador más de ese compromiso... Y también es uno de los elementos tácticos importantes
    que intervienen en la recuperación de territorio.
    Si del cielo te llueven limones, aprende a hacer limonada.

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    [QUOTE=lancelot_1;
    asi que en mi humilde opinión: Bien haría el EP en adquirir la capacidad de fabricar 1 tipo de vehiculo a ruedas (cualquiera que sea), porque si se fabrica en grandes cantidades y están adecuadamente armados (por ejemplo como los 'Safir' iranies con lanzacohetes multiples), darían una ventaja importantisima al EP en cualquier tipo de conflicto externo.[/QUOTE]
    No pues, nadie en su sano juicio va a montar una línea de ensamblaje, y mucho menos de manufactura, por unas poquitas unidades, ni 2000 ni 5000 justifican la inversión. Y encima para que lo maneje el Estado...

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    hola,

    aqui les dejo otro articulo sobre el "Safir"

    Iran’s Latest Tactic Against Islamic State — Send in the Battle Buggies






    The Iraqi push into Tikrit features loads of Iranian weapons. And the pint-size Safir jeep is one of the most distinctive of them all.

    Dozens of the rocket launcher-equipped, Iranian-made buggies are in Iraq, helping out Iraqi troops and allied Shia militias.

    The buggies reflect Iran’s preference for swarm tactics, which emphasize deploying large numbers of simple, cheap vehicles in order to outmaneuver and overwhelm the enemy.


    While reminiscent of something your great-uncle might have ridden through a desert during World War II, the Safir is quite different than the American and Russian vehicles that dominate the fighting in Iraq.

    Some of the Safirs in Iraq boast rocket launchers. Others pack direct-fire weapons, such as 106-millimeter recoilless rifles. All of them are lightweight, brute-simple vehicles — perfect for the hastily-trained recruits who increasingly fill out the ranks of Baghdad’s beleaguered army and the Iranian-backed militias that reinforce it.

    The buggies are similar to the infamous machine gun-toting “technical” pickup trucks that have fought in most of Africa’s modern wars.


    Minimally-trained irregular troops can deploy the swift little vehicles to strike and even surround the enemy in an urban environment — like a swarm of insects. With so many individuals in the swarm, each darting around so quickly, it’s hard to swat them all.

    The vehicles allow a military force without modern communications equipment to perform flanking attacks. The jeeps can establish visual contact with neighboring vehicles at intersections, then drive toward gunfire in the event of a neighbor coming into contact with the enemy.

    Surveillance aircraft and attack helicopters are the best weapons for defeating a swarm. Islamic State has neither.

    The U.S. government appears to appreciate the Iranian methods. The Pentagon has begun providing technical-style trucks to Iraqi troops.

    But there are obvious downsides to deploying Safir buggies in Iraqi cities. Soldiers riding in the thinly-armored vehicles are vulnerable to improvised explosives, small arms and well-thrown rocks.

    Sharp turns, blind spots — and the possibility of waiting to reestablish contact at intersections — can render the buggies even more vulnerable to bullets and bombs.

    But this fragility won’t halt the Safir’s proliferation. The vehicle is simple and fairly inexpensive to make. Iran has produced as many as 3,000 of them ever year since 2008

    Affordability and ease-of-use count for a lot. Resupplying damaged or destroyed Safirs should be considerably easier than supplying more of the armored Humvees the U.S. has gifted to Iraq since 2003. Iranian agents can simply drive more Safirs over the border.

    The Iranian military has shown a willingness to trade mass casualties for marginal victories in past conflicts — and it’s possible that Tehran could apply this strategy to Iraq.

    More than anything, though, the prominence of the Safir and other Iranian weapons systems in the Tikrit offensive helps illuminate Baghdad’s growing dilemma.

    The U.S. has been the main donor of weapons to the country since the 2003 invasion. Iran’s open provision of weapons and equipment to Iraqi forces is in part an attempt to supplant this influence.

    And though they’re still allies, the U.S. and Iraq aren’t playing well together at the moment. Iraq neglected to inform the Pentagon beforehand of its planned push on Tikrit, and the U.S. has in turn denied air support to the campaign.

    This lack of coordination means that the bulk of the upcoming fighting will come down to Iraqi soldiers and militias — increasingly backed by Iranian hardware instead of American jets.





    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ira...s-14ac59fd60ac

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    hola,




    olvidaba decir, que en Irak, los cientos de jeeps 'Safir' armados con lanzacohetes multiples, han sido especialmente efectivos contra ISIS, pues operan en conjunto con decenas de UAVs iranies : "Mohajer-4"




    Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps is deploying the Mohajer-4 surveillance drone and its cousins—descendants of the country’s first Mohajer-1—in its bid to halt Islamic State jihadists in Iraq.

    The surge in drone operations reportedly began almost as soon as Islamic State captured the city of Mosul in northern Iraq in June 2014.

    Shortly after Mosul’s fall, The New York Times reported that Iran had already sent a fleet of drones, in addition to other assets, to the Iraqi capital to provide overwatch for the cities and towns that surround Baghdad.


    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ira...q-ed60bb33501d


    y curiosamente, Irán le hizo transferencia de tecnologia a Venezuela para la fabricacion local de los mismos drones - llamados "Arpía" en Venezuela.



    UAV Venezolano "Arpia" (copia del "Mohajer-2")

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    Mi estimado, cualquier unidad equipada con lanzacohetes sería de gran utilidad, hasta u Jeep.

    Saludos,
    A triunfar Peruanos !!! que somos hermanos, que sea la victoria nuestra gratitud...Te daré la vida y cuando yo muera, me uniré en la tierra CONTIGO PERU !!!!

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    Este Obus Hummer HMMWV 105 mm. WEAPON SYSTEM sobre un M1152A1 de Mandus Group es conocido como Alakrán Español, puede ser transportado por un MI-171Sh hasta una área segura y luego por sus propios medios entrar en combate en cualquier tipo de terreno con un alcance de 10 Km aprox. en una guerra urbana en Costa, Sierra o Selva.

    Saludos,
    JRIVERA
    Last edited by JRIVERA; 14-06-2018 at 05:05 AM.
    A triunfar Peruanos !!! que somos hermanos, que sea la victoria nuestra gratitud...Te daré la vida y cuando yo muera, me uniré en la tierra CONTIGO PERU !!!!

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