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    Noticias de la India, relacionado con el Mig29K:
    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/ar...d-vikramaditya

    he Indian Navy placed its first orders for a dozen MiG-29K carrier based twin engine fighters in 2004, with the aircraft planned for deployment onboard the carrier INS Vikramaditya - a former Soviet Kiev Class warship refitted and extensively modernised to accommodate the new jets. The medium weight multirole aircraft were developed as a navalised variant of the MiG-29M - a ‘4++ generation’ jet incorporating some of Russia’s latest sensor and avionics systems at the time and designed to make full use of cutting edge new standoff munitions. The Indian Navy currently deploys 45 of the the naval fighter jets, making it the largest operator of the fighter class in the world. 26 of these are deployed from the country’s aircraft carrier, with the remainder shared between two naval air stations on the country’s east and west coasts.



    Despite being the least costly carrier based fighters in production anywhere in the world, they are capable of outperforming rival platforms in a number of their specifications - specifically in terms of speed, operational altitude and manoeuvrability. The Indian Navy plans to deploy the MiG-29K onboard its first domestically built carrier, the INS Vikrant, and will acquire further combat jets with updated capabilities for this purpose. Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba announced that issues related to maintenance and availability of spare parts for the MiG-29K fleet, which had previously undermined their readiness, had been resolved. The Admiral added that the defence ministry was working to resolve payment issues relating to American sanctions - with the U.S. Treasury imposing imposing penalties on clients for Russian arms under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).



    Admiral Lanba noted regarding the MiG-29K, when addressing the press on the eve of Navy Day: “there is no issue on supplies of spare parts from Russia at the moment… The MiG-29K fleet has been performing well now.” According to a 2016 report by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, serviceability of MiG-29K fighters in Indian service was unsatisfactory - at just 37.63%. Recent efforts made by the two countries however have improved serviceability to around 70%. The fighters are ideally suited to deploy from carriers using a ski jump launch system such as the Vikrant and Viramaditya. These carriers and their air wings are set to be considerably less costly both to operate and to commission than their planned successor, INS Vishal, which is to deploy Western fighters better suited to making use of an electromagnetic launch system (EMALS) - which will be installed on the new carrier in place of a ski jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelantePeru View Post
    Sera youtube, pero al menos es un resumen de los costos de adquisicion de aviones de combate... viene de la internet asi que con cuidado.

    Hace falta actualizar precios,el Hornet no baja de 100 millones uss, alguien tiene data de que puede costar los Mk5 Qataries ?? Lo que si hay información que pretende venderlos tras sus pedidos de más Rafales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelantePeru View Post
    Sera youtube, pero al menos es un resumen de los costos de adquisicion de aviones de combate... viene de la internet asi que con cuidado.

    Puff, son costos de distintos años, algunos para US, otros para extranjero, y finalmente se mezcla fly-away cost con costos 'completos'. Ahí no más pensar que un F-15K, Rafale, Eurofighter, o un F35 va a ser más barato que un F-16V es estar más perdido que un huevo en cebiche.
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    Default Parece un collage de datos

    De acuerdo forista guepard, los costo en el video son de diferente tiemos y condiciones ... lo cual lo hace un reflejo de todos los diferentes datos proporcionados en el foro y otros afines. La sola intencion del video es ponerlos en 1 lugar ... hubiese sido Bueno que el autor haya puesto Fuentes para asi hacer una version mas complete.

    The Admiral added that the defence ministry was working to resolve payment issues relating to American sanctions - with the U.S. Treasury imposing imposing penalties on clients for Russian arms under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).
    Del articulo que puso el forista albaz, el extracto arriba parece indicar que si eran ciertos la complicaciones de las sanciones de EEUU a empresas rusas,

    Eso complica mas las cosas.

    Saludos,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guepard View Post
    Puff, son costos de distintos años, algunos para US, otros para extranjero, y finalmente se mezcla fly-away cost con costos 'completos'. Ahí no más pensar que un F-15K, Rafale, Eurofighter, o un F35 va a ser más barato que un F-16V es estar más perdido que un huevo en cebiche.
    Pues esa es la data existente, que además ya fue enviada previamente... ninguno de esos precios es barato:

    La data de Reuters dice:
    The Pentagon and the State Department have been considering the sale of 36 Boeing F-15 fighter jets to Qatar valued at around $4 billion
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-q...-idUSKCN1175GQ

    La data de DSCA, no es más favorable:
    The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Qatar for F-15QA aircraft with weapons and related support, equipment, and training. The estimated cost is $21.1 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on November 17, 2016.

    The Government of Qatar requested to purchase seventy-two (72) F-15QA multi-role fighter aircraft and associated weapons package...
    https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...elated-support

    Eso es un precio sideral de cerca de US$ 293 millones!!!



    El artículo de Bloomberg tampoco da un precio barato para el yajue-16:

    The Obama administration has told Congress it won’t complete approval for Bahrain to buy as many as 19 F-16 fighter jets from Lockheed Martin Corp. and upgrades for older ones for almost $4 billion until the Gulf ally demonstrates progress on human rights, according to people familiar with the issue.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...th-u-s-strings

    The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Bahrain for F-16V aircraft with support. The estimated cost is $2.785 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

    The Government of Bahrain has requested a possible sale of nineteen (19) F-16V Aircraft...
    https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...rcraft-support

    Data q coincide perfectamente con:

    The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Bulgaria of F-16C/D Block 70/72 aircraft with support for an estimated cost of $1.673 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on May 30, 2019.

    The Government of Bulgaria has requested to buy eight (8) F-16 C/D Block 70/72 aircraft;
    https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...rcraft-support

    Y esa es la data de DSCA...Osea entre US146.63 millones a los astronómicos US$ 210.5 millones por yajue-16 (F-16V). Eso es prácticamente el TRIPLE al CUADRUPLE de un MiG-29M2. Eso que si tu como buen fanboy querías comprar 12 yajue-16 porque era "suficiente" pues con ese dinero te alcanza para elevar el número de MiG al mismo que actualmente tiene mapuchelandia; y hasta te queda una yapa para comprar misiles... (¿alquien dijo algo de costo-eficiente).

    Para que terminen de caerse patas arriba ¿cuanto costarían las armas? pues caiganse de sus sillas:

    The Government of Japan has requested to buy one hundred sixty (160) AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), and one (1) AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM guidance section. Also included are containers, weapon support and support equipment, spare and repair parts, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistical support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support. The total estimated program cost is $317 million.
    https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...siles-amraam-0

    Casi dos millones por misil ...!!! osea que si sólo quisieramos tener lo mismo que hoy tenemos R-77 (osea 12 según fuentes mal informadas) gastaríamos 24 millones para que cada yajue-16 lleve un (01) único misil... una locura total

    (Esto no tiene ni pies ni cabeza...no se justifica tener yajue-16 por ningún lado)

    Pero obviamente como estamos hablando de gente que aplaude la corruptela, la desinformación y el "miente, miente que algo queda", lo volveran a negar en todos los idiomas (y ojo atentos que obviamente no citarán fuentes, ni postearan cifras, y menos aún precios)

    Saludos


    PD: Que pena que algunos les arda que uno escriba y les malogre el lobby, pero hay bastante gente honesta en el Perú que quiere lo mejor para el país.

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    Una duda, cuanto valen los Misiles Rusos R-77...¿?

    SAludos

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPUTNIK View Post
    Una duda, cuanto valen los Misiles Rusos R-77...¿?
    ¿Cuánto "valen"? Pues no mucho, no parecen ser particularmente durables, la disponibilidad tampoco es estelar y en lo que respecta a su efectividad táctica, pues...

    Eight Indian Air Force fighters, including two Sukhoi-30 MKI jets, were vectored to intercept the Pakistani formation when they detected the launch of several US-made AIM-120 C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) in their direction.

    ''The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Pakistan-occupied Kashmir," says Sameer Joshi, a Kargil veteran. ''The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch," he said.

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    Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometres away.
    FUENTE

    Así que si la pregunta es cuánto "cuestan", pues al precio que sea que le pongan, no pagaría por ellos más que en chapitas de Inca Kola.

    Saludos
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    Hola ChrisBV
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisBV View Post
    ¿Cuánto "valen"? Pues no mucho, no parecen ser particularmente durables, la disponibilidad tampoco es estelar y en lo que respecta a su efectividad táctica, pues...

    FUENTE
    Pues parece que los AIM-120 también estaban "outranged" porque no derribaron ninguno de los 2 SU-30 MKI a pesar de lanzar "several US-made AIM-120 C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) in their direction"....

    Saludos

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