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    Default Fragatas AAW Clase Adelaide.

    En el otro hilo aún queda el reemplazo de la formidable FF-19 Williams y corresponde que las actuales latas AAW de la ACH y su horrible e impresentable look, tengan su propio espacio.

    Algo de lo ya conocido o posteado anteriormente:

    Ex HMAS Newcastle y ex HMAS Melbourne
    La Armada de Chile recibe las fragatas antiaéreas Capitán Prat y Almirante Latorre




    https://www.infodefensa.com/latam/20...e-latorre.html




    Las fragatas de la clase Adelaide se integran oficialmente en la Armada de Chile


    Ha tenido lugar en Sydney, Australia, el acto de izamiento del pabellón nacional chileno en las dos fragatas de la clase Adelaide que el gobierno australiano transfirió a su par chileno.
    La ceremonia contó con la presencia del Jefe de la Real Armada de Australia Vicealmirante Michael Joseph Noonan, asistiendo en representación de la Armada de Chile el Agregado de Defensa y Naval Capitán de Navío Andrés Fernández Biggs. Ambas unidades fueron bendecidas por un capellán.
    Con esta ceremonia ambas fragatas pasan ya a formar parte oficialmente de la Escuadra Nacional, como se conoce en Chile a la agrupación de unidades de combate de superficie, conformada en la actualidad por 8 unidades, más dos petroleros y un remolcador.

    Los navíos tomaron el nombre de Capitán Prat , con el numeral 11 y Almirante Latorre con el numeral 14, quedando por confirmar cuál será su denominación, siendo muy probable que adopten el de FFG, tal cual cómo sus antecesoras de la clase Jacob Van Heemskerck de procedencia holandesa.

    Para Chile estos buques representan la incorporación de los misiles SM-2 Block III A y ESSM, este último operado desde un lanzador vertical Mk-41 VLS (Vertical Launch System).

    Un largo programa de modernización mejoró las capacidades de mando y control, vigilancia, guerra antisubmarina, entrenamiento a bordo y en tierra. Dos turbinas GE LM2500 forman la planta propulsora, que le permiten alcanzar hasta 29 nudos. Posee cubierta de vuelo y hangar para 2 helicópteros S-70B-2 Sea Hawk.
    https://www.defensa.com/chile/fragat...e-armada-chile

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    Australia transfers Adelaide-class frigates to Chile
    Vinod Kumar CV, Bangalore - Jane's Navy International
    22 April 2020

    The former HMAS Melbourne – one of two ex-RAN Adelaide-class frigates recently acquired by the Chilean Navy to replace its Latorre class. Source: Commonwealth of Australia


    Australia has officially transferred two Adelaide (Oliver Hazard Perry)-class guided-missile frigates to the Chilean Navy.

    The ex-Royal Australian Navy (RAN) frigates, Melbourne (FFG 05) and Newcastle (FFG 06), were formally handed over during a ceremony held at HMAS Watson naval base in Sydney on 15 April.

    The vessels are intended to replace two recently decommissioned ex-Royal Netherlands Navy Latorre (Jacob van Heemskerck)-class air-defence frigates that were built in the 1980s and acquired by Chile in 2004.

    Melbourne and Newcastle were built in Australia between 1985 and 1993 under licence from the United States and withdrawn from RAN service in 2019. They are equipped with RGM-84J/L Harpoon Block II missiles, SM-2MR Block IIIA Standard and RIM-162B Evolved Sea Sparrow (ESSM) surface-to-air missiles, an Oto Melara Mk 75 76 mm/62 Compact Gun, the ADACS combat management system, Eurotorp MU90 torpedoes, and a Spherion hull-mounted sonar.

    The two frigates, which have been renamed Almirante Latorre (FFG 14) and Capitan Prat (FFG 11), are undergoing a basic refit at Garden Island shipyard, in Sydney. The Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) will be removed in Australia, and the Thales Goalkeeper CIWS along with the other standard equipment, will be refitted after the ships arrive in Chile.

    Crew training is under way at the RAN's Training Fleet Support Unit Sydney (FSU-SE) at HMAS Kuttabul and will continue until May. However, due to the ongoing situation of Covid-19 pandemic, the date of final transfer of the vessels to Valparaiso has yet to be confirmed.

    https://www.janes.com/article/95688/...gates-to-chile

    En extremo optimista el periodista con el destino de GK de las L. Ciertamente con el espeluznante OTO 76mm en el techo y pensar lo mismo con el invasivo GK...




    En fin
    Vienen los chilenos...

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    Creo que hay consenso transversal en la comunidad forística a lo menos, en que son feas

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    Yo me pregunto si en el Mk-41 vendrán ESSM o no.

    SM-2MR no lo han reportado en el pedido, pero en la atmósfera foristica se asume su preexistencia.

    Phallanx no va. Pero tengo mis dudas de que les coloquen los GK de las L, sabiendo que hay un OTO-76 cerca de popa.

    Reutilizaría los GK en otros buques de valor sin protección, como el AO Montt y el AO Araucano.

    Aldea ya tiene 3 piezas de 30 mm asociadas a un sistema de autoprotección que además dispone de SIMBAD-Mistral 3.

    Creo que hay consenso transversal en la comunidad forística a lo menos, en que son feas
    Adhiero.

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    Hacia el futuro, ya que tenemos fragatas de defensa de zona....

    La transición hacia misiles de guia autónoma:

    SM-2 Block IIIC will have anti-surface capability
    Posted on January 17, 2019


    H/T to @MIL_STD for providing to the graphic. The U.S. Navy intends to upgrade the SM-2 missile to Block IIIC and this upgraded missile will have an anti-surface capability.

    The Pentagon approved the upgrade last month by giving Rayhteon a $149 million contract for engineering, manufacturing, and development of the new variant. The semi-active radar seeker will be replaced with an active radar seeker in this upgrade exercise.

    The SM-6 has proven that it can strike surface ships and now the service intends to allocate the anti-surface and anti-air dual function to a new SM-6 Block IB variant.

    For short range defense, the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missrim-116 block iibile will evolve into a Block IIB design.

    A Next Generation Strike Weapon is also being considered.
    http://alert5.com/2019/01/17/sm-2-bl...ce-capability/

    Lo que me temo es que SM-2MR Block IIIC sea solo para AEGIS y no NTU. Ojalá que no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red_star View Post
    Creo que hay consenso transversal en la comunidad forística a lo menos, en que son feas

    Saludos
    estimado red_star, C-7 discrepo con ustedes desde un comienzo, las encuentro de hermosas y guerreras líneas y perfil. En gustos no hay nada escrito. Ya les dije que hace mucho tiempo atrás, alusinaba cuando llegaban las OHP de la Navy con esas antenas impresionantes; comparaba sus líneas con las viejas county que sí me parecían horribles.
    saludos

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    Lo feas es lo de menos. ...
    La Ach solo compro el Kit AAW completo(y no la plataforma) para no perder la capacidad AAW de área y ampliar el rango de defensa.

    La plataforma es un modelo obsoleto Mo-no eje,con sus mamparos a 90 grados sobre cubierta ,en un muro vertical de 70- 80 metros de largo ,ofrece mas RCS en el horizonte táctico que las tipo L.

    Tienen el mismo karma que las Ls....Que se compraron por que venían juntas con las codiciadas Ms.
    Cuando las ofrecieron solas a las eLes los holandeses, no se interesó la armada.

    Osea, son "Peor es nahhh" y van a tener que lidiar con el más bajo presupuesto operativo de las últimas décadas.

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    Australian warships sold to Chile in deal not formally announced by Defence Department
    By defence correspondent Andrew Greene
    Updated about 4 hours ago




    Chile's Navy is preparing to sail two recently retired Australian warships out of Sydney after purchasing them in a deal believed to be worth more than $100 million.

    Key points:
    -The ABC has been told each warship set Chile's Navy back $45 million
    -The remainder of the purchase price is believed to have gone towards stores, data and training
    -Defence officials have told the ABC the deal is part of an effort by Australia to build a good relationship with the Chilean military



    Former Adelaide-class frigates HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Newcastle were quietly commissioned into their new service this month during a formal handover ceremony between both navies.

    Both ships entered service with the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) in the early 1990s and since being retired last year Defence has been examining various options for their disposal.

    Their recommissioning, which until now had not been publicly revealed by Defence, was attended by Australia's Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Mick Noonan.

    Defence has confirmed the ships, renamed Almirante Latorre and Capitan Prat, will remain in New South Wales until next month "while training is completed, and preparations are made for them to sail to Chile".

    The ABC has been told the deal with Chile is worth $110 million, comprising of $45 million for each warship and the remainder of the purchase price going towards stores, data and training.

    In a statement the Department declined to confirm the final figure saying: "As the ships are now formally owned by a foreign Navy, Defence will not be providing further comment".

    Sources familiar with the deal claim the Chilean Government did not want to widely publicise its purchase given recent political unrest over cuts to public services in the South American nation.

    The former RAN vessels are intended to replace two recently decommissioned Chilean warships which were acquired second-hand from the Netherlands in 2004.

    Almirante Latorre and Capitan Prat have both undergone a basic refit at Sydney's Garden Island and Chilean crew members are completing training at Sydney's HMAS Kuttabul.

    Last week the Defence Department strongly rejected a television report claiming six visiting Chilean sailors had tested positive to COVID-19, forcing a lockdown of HMAS Watson Naval Base.

    Before departing Australia, a weapons system known as CIWS will be removed from the ships, while other equipment will be refitted once the vessels arrive in Chile.

    Defence officials have told the ABC that the recent warship deal is part of an effort by Australia to build a good relationship with the Chilean military.

    "They are pretty well equipped, well trained and capable — good partners in the Pacific," one insider said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

    "All of their trade to Asia has to pass through the region so they have an interest in it," the official added.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...chile/12179044
    Gentileza Chinook88 / RYF


    110 palos verdes dentro de cierto halo de secretismo.


    Surgen mas dudas respecto a nuestra conocida cifra tope global autorizada por los Grengus muy Malus a los Australianos..

    Congressional Record Date:
    10/22/2019
    Abstract:
    A communication from the Assistant Secretary, Legislative Affairs, Department of State, transmitting, pursuant to section 3(d) of the Arms Export Control Act, the certification of a proposed transfer of major defense equipment, including two Oliver Hazard Perry FFG-7 Frigates, including spare parts support equipment and training from Australia to Chile with a sales value of approximately $1,400,000,000 (Transmittal No. RSAT-19-6937); to the Committee on Foreign Relations.
    Referred to Committee Date:
    10/22/2019 — Senate Foreign Relations


    Y por cierto, la imagen que acompaña la nota es....es.... es imperdonable




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    Vienen los chilenos...

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    No he seguido mucho este tema, pero me preguntaba varias cosas, ya veo que la entrega va a demorar unos meses, supongo que la baja de la primera L se da para que su tripulacion sea la base del personal a transicionar en su reemplazo, alguien sabe cuanto costaron? no veo que se mencione eso (supongo eventualmente documentos australianos lo diran), alguien sabe si -como en otro material surplus de origen USA- se ha publicado autorizacion de EEUU para su reventa?, alguien sabe si se incluye el armamento? son cosas aparte, una cosa es el buque y sus sensores/equipos otra el armamento, supongo Australia ha querido vender los buques con todo lo que no es reutilizable en los buques que reemplaza, a la vez que Chile quiere comprar los buques con dotacion de armamento que puede emplear, alli tienen que tranzar un punto de acuerdo entre ambos intereses.

    En general creo la ACh ha hecho bien y ha aplicado la misma politica "mas vale pajaro en mano..." de hace 2 decadas cuando descarto la construccion de buques nuevos (a pesar de que ya habia seleccionado un modelo y hasta pagado por sus planos basicos)en favor de la compra de oportunidad de unidades de 2do uso medianamente modernas y -para la región- muy capaces. Actualmente casi no hay alternativas de buques de 2do uso en el mercado, esta era una de las muy pocas y la tomaron antes de que alguien les gane el vivo.

    Saludos

    Cesar

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