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  • Originalmente publicado por delta1 Ver Mensaje
    de verdad que creo que eres lento o tu fanatismo no te deja leer cosas mas alla que blogs americanos y ver cnn
    en primera quien gana georgia es evidente que mas alla de un protagonismo que se hable de ellos en el contexto mundial y salga en los periodicos no gana nada todo lo contrario pierde territorio una anexion a la otan si te tomas la molestia de leer los post de esta misma paginas la otan se encuentra hoy dividida en la manera de tratar este conflicto y existe ciertas condiciones que hoy georgia no cumple para ser miembro otan, averigualas. Sobre Ucrania pues la cosa igual con el principal lider a favor de los occidentales con un pirrico 5% de aceptacion y con otra candidata que lideriza las encuestas dudo mucho que hoy existan el clima interno en ucrania de querer ser miembros en la otan de hecho hoy en los paises ex pacto existe una corriente creciendo en favor de un acercamiento a los rusio, ahora quien ha mencionado a los miembros ya existentes como polonia en esto??? eso es ganas tuyas de querer ganarte la razon a juro e imagino que es parte de tu pastel mental. Gana USA pues como estado creo que solo evidencian hoy debilidad y que la cosa no es tan hegemonica como algunos pensaban, aunque si existe una ganancia electoral de parte de los republicanos en esto, pero eso ya es otra historia que no quiero incluirla para no hacertelo mas dificil.
    Rusia pues mas que una ganancia es la demostracion de que no esta dispuesto a ceder mas y obliga a un cambio de el manejo geopolitico que se le ha estado dando al mundo.

    sobre latinoamerica al margen de ese salcocho mental que tienes, te pregunto de verdad crees al resto de las naciones tan debiles para no tener su propia determinacion de seguir un camino que consideran un paso hacia adelante?? o es que acaso los problemas que existen en venezuela ( pobreza esclusion, dependencia, subdesarrollo etc) no son los mismos que existen en el resto de las naciones??? o es que peru ya que es un ejmp que tu citas no existe pobreza, no hay etnias descriminadas y altos desequilibrios sociales???
    lo de bases aparte de ser una mentira muestra la ligereza e ignorancia con lo que tratas el tema la constitucion venezolana prohibe la existencia de bases extranjeras (no se si peru le gusta tener militares de otros paises montando bases en su territorio aqui no) y lo que se extendio fue una invitacion a visitar puerto venezolano ante la posible visita de la flota rusa en el caribe, aclaratoria que te hago para que no sigas pasando por ignorante en otros foros sorry aqui no pude hacer mas por ti

    los hechos hablan por si solo alemania, grecia, Italia entre otros mantienen serias diferencias ante otros miembros de la otan sobre todo esto y tu hablas de georgia firmando mañana su ingreso a la otan seamos mas serios
    Mi estimado Delta, si piensas como escribes tienes un problema.

    Te sugiero usar comas, punto y comas y párrafos para hacer tus ideas algo entendibles.

    Me parece que eres tú el que tiene un “salcocho mental” al confundir analogías, ejemplos y realidades.

    Incorporo un reportaje del diario El Metro de Guayaquil (http://elmetrodeguayaquil.com/ShowAr...ookieSupport=1) en el que se menciona lo que afirmo:

    Flota militar rusa visitará Venezuela
    Por Hernan Maruri
    Publicado: martes, 19 de agosto de 2008 10:02

    El presidente venezolano Hugo Chávez anunció este fin de semana que la flota militar rusa informó su interés por visitar Venezuela, ante lo que él respondió: "la flota rusa será siempre bienvenida en Venezuela". En la misma intervención Chávez tildó de "títere del Imperio" al presidente de Georgia, con quien Rusia mantuvo y mantiene un conflicto armado.
    Coincidentemente con esta visita el diario ruso Pravda insiste en que Chávez le ofreció a Rusia la posibilidad de tener una base en Venezuela.
    Para hacer toda esta discusión más simple y directa, te sugiero que respondas esta pregunta (de paso supón que no hay otra alternativa para hacer el ejercicio mental algo más manejable):

    ¿Cual es el mejor aliado para el Perú: Rusia o USA?


    Mephisto
    Saludos desde el Infierno.

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    • Algo interesante en relación a que Rusia no ha cometido error alguno:
      Fears of Isolation As Investors Flee Russia

      Friday, August 29, 2008 2:30 PM


      MOSCOW — At the outset of this year, Russia proudly proclaimed itself an island of stability at the annual economic gathering in Davos, setting itself apart from the tumult of the global financial crisis.

      Then came the war with Georgia, which some here regard as Russia's 9/11.

      Within hours of Russia's retaliation to Georgia's move to take back its breakaway republic of South Ossetia, Russia had attracted widespread condemnation and threats of isolation and expulsion from the international community.

      "For the first time since the Crimean War, Russia has no allies," said Garry Kasparov, chess grandmaster turned opposition politician. "We are encircled by countries that are either suspicious or alienated and very angry."

      On the economic front, investors are hightailing out of Russia, while Western politicians have hinted at sanctions, visa restrictions and even the denial of Russia's right to host the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics.

      Increasingly cut off from the global world, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev risks undoing many of the successes of the past 10 years, ranging from the country's robust economic growth to a growing sense of national prestige and purpose.

      Stock markets plunged, and more than $7 billion was pulled out of the country in just three days, exposing the fragility of Russia's nine-year economic boom.

      The economy was already under strain.

      The five-day war followed months of bad news on Russia's corporate front, led by a high-profile shareholder tussle for control at TNK-BP, the Anglo-Russian joint venture.

      In early summer, Bill Browder's Hermitage Capital blew the lid on a catalog of intimidation and corporate theft at the hands of Interior Ministry officials, and in July Prime Minister Vladimir Putin publicly attacked steelmaker Mechel, sending its shares into a tailspin. Inflation was running at nearly 15 percent.

      But while the storm clouds gathered, investors clung on.

      The war was the tipping point, said James Fenkner, managing partner at Red Star Asset Management.

      French investment bank BNP Paribas has estimated that more than $25 billion has been withdrawn from the country since the outbreak of the conflict, and Russian stock markets have plunged more than 30 percent since May.

      It's a far cry from last December, when investors and analysts said 2008 was the year that Russia's stock markets would recover from the previous year's ******** performance, even in light of the global turmoil.

      Now investors are pulling their money out in droves.

      "Very few investors have to be here now," said Fenkner. "Unless they are Russia-dedicated, they will move to friendlier environments. Sentiment is just very bad."

      To many, Russia's fundamentals look very attractive.

      "Russia is extremely cheap, and most of the growth dynamics are still in place," said Peter Halloran, whose hedge fund Pharos Fund has $150 million under management in Russia. "If I look forward 12 months, I want to own Russia."

      But as the uncertainty continues, Russia could be seen as a high-stakes geopolitical gamble.

      "If there is a perception of Russia as a risky place or as an undesirable place to invest, then the damage will be more long term," said Chris Weafer, chief strategist at UralSib. "It will restrict the development of the economy and hurt the government's plans to create a more diversified the economy."

      The war has played well at home. Russians have rallied to the government's decision to punish Georgia for what it calls aggression and recognize the independence of South Ossetia and another separatist-controlled region, Abkhazia.

      Alexander Konovalov, president of Moscow's Institute of Strategic Assessment, said many in Western countries see a "big, strong, unmanageable Russia" attacking "a small, democratic, innocent Georgia."

      "In Russia," he said, "it is big, aggressive, undemocratic and irresponsible Georgia who took small and innocent South Ossetia."

      As Western politicians warn of sanctions and consequences, many ordinary Russians feel increasingly isolated _ and blame the Western media for painting a distorted picture of the conflict.

      Russians "are sad about the situation and I have had many e-mails from people asking why the media is reporting the situation only from one side," said Lioudmila Siegel, chairman of an organization for Russians in Sweden.

      A minority of Russians, though, have denounced the government's decision to use military force in the conflict.

      The Union of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, for instance, has railed against the use of conscripts in Georgia, despite promises by the Defense Ministry that it would not do so.

      Boris Nemtsov, an opposition politician, has said the invasion was a blunder, and that ordinary Russians will pay for it.

      "This is a strategic and long-term mistake, the effects of which will be felt by virtually all Russians," Nemtsov wrote. "This is the beginning of a new arms race."

      It could, he predicted, also mean visa restrictions, expulsion from the G8 group of countries, discrimination against Russian business abroad and a reversal of the decision to give Russia the 2014 Winter Olympics.

      But for the most part, liberal opposition to Russia's actions has been relatively subdued. "The liberals have been extremely quiet," said Konovalov. To stand up for "democratic values and cooperation with the West ... will be seen as a betrayal."

      David Cameron, head of Britain's Conservative opposition party, called for the British government to suspend visas for some Russian nationals and even, possibly, suspend Russia's membership of the G8 club of rich nations.

      Since the murder of Alexander Litvinenko on British soil nearly two years ago, relations between London and Moscow have deteriorated, and British tabloids were quick to pick up on anti-Russian sentiment.

      On Thursday, the Daily Mirror tabloid newspaper condemned British foreign secretary David Miliband for allowing "hundreds of Russian oligarchs who prospered under Vladimir Putin" to use "Britain as a bolthole."

      But while there is some popular bashing of Britain's very rich Russians — who the tabloids have long loathed because they benefit from Britain's relatively generous expat tax laws — the overwhelming political and business view of Russians in Britain is still positive.

      But analysts warn that, even if Russians themselves are welcomed abroad, it may become more difficult for Russian big business to expand there — especially in sensitive areas such as defense and energy.

      In a fit of pique two years ago, then-President Putin canceled foreign participation in the Shtokman gas project after European objections to a move by VTB, a major Russian bank, to acquire a minority stake in Europe's EADS aerospace and defense group.

      "This Russia phobia is nothing new," said Fenkner. "But it's going to turn up a couple of notches. It's not a trend reversal."

      © 2008 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


      Mephisto
      Saludos desde el Infierno.

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      • Originally Posted by delta1
        de verdad que creo que eres lento o tu fanatismo no te deja leer cosas mas alla que blogs americanos y ver cnn
        Sr. Delta:

        Con esto Ud. demuestra que Ud. no sabe nada del tema.

        CNN entrevisto a Gorvachov y a Medevev sin censura. Ambos expresaron sus puntos de vista "live" y en "prime tv" .

        Yo quiero imaginar si los rusos tienen las bolas de entrevistar a Bush o a Rice. Y eso nunca va a pasar porque el gobierno manda todo en ese pais, pero afuera de ese pais se va a quedar corto porque EEUU no solo tiene mas apoyo sino que es mas fuerte. Acuerdate que el que se fue a la quiebra fueron ellos no EEUU.

        Mas tino Sr.

        Francisco.

        ¿Cual es el mejor aliado para el Perú: Rusia o USA?
        Mephisto:

        De verdad que tu, si tienes mucha pasiencia en despertar a la gente, a veces pienso que lo tuyo es comparable a la madre teresa de calcuta....
        Dios esta en el cielo, Peru esta en la tierra.

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        • sentido comun

          100% de acuerdo con tu razonamiento, por fin alguien analizo las cosas
          de manera racional. la comunidad europa no ve a rusia (ni rusia a china) de la manera
          que cnn, fox, y la bbc lo pintan. ellos (los europeos del este, oeste y sur) estan obligados a llevarse bien con los rusos ya que los rusos viven al lado y no se van a mudar, ni hablar de la fuente estable de energia que representan. los eeuu en comparacion son una isla lejana.

          recomiendo una entrevista a schroeder en der spiegel online.

          los rusos tienen los huevos bien puestos y ya le demonstraron a los alemanes hace 50 anos a lo que estan dispuesto a llegar para obtener resultados.

          en todo caso, esta es otra oportunidad para el peru para acercarse a rusia despues de
          la ******* de torre tagle con kosovo.

          saludos
          you'd better get your head and ass wired together
          or i'll take a giant shit on you.

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          • para reir

            Originalmente publicado por Mephisto Ver Mensaje
            Algo interesante en relación a que Rusia no ha cometido error alguno:



            Mephisto
            de wikipedia
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            Mephisto no es otro nombre para Satanas? los gringos son tan pen***** que hasta el diablo cree en ellos.

            Rusia o EEUU? El Peru por supuesto, sim embargo una Rusia y China fuertes nos da muchas mas opciones contra los anglosajones.
            you'd better get your head and ass wired together
            or i'll take a giant shit on you.

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