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  • #16
    En la tarde te contesto, mi base de datos de chile...se cayoooooooo..pucha, que problema..

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    • #17
      100 T-55-VCL 5.000.000
      no me di cuenta de este detalle, entonces tu plan es de 400 MBT, bueno, yo sigo pensando que el numero debe ser unos 300, luego, cuando podamos sustentar nuestro parque recien pensar en numeros mayores.

      de todas maneras, transformar 100 T55 en VCI(o en APC??), con solo 5 000 000 millones es bastante irreal, se trata de vehiculos a los que hay que modificar extensivamente, cortar y soldar muchas cosas, redistribuir el espacio interior, adecuale nuevos sistemas de armas y encima (tal cual tu propuesta) remotorizarlos.

      .......note que planteas hasta 3 tipos de mBT (T-55MP, T59 y T72B) creo que de esta manera solo se logra complicar el aspecto logistico, lo cual a la lkarga encareze la operacion........

      .........con 100 T-55 correctamente modernizados destinados a la zona norte y un MBT moderno en la zonas centro y sur tendriamos una fuerza mas equilibrada .

      salud 8O
      tanktech.wordpress.com

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      • #18
        Originalmente publicado por leonardocr
        Esta bonito..el juguete, cuanto cuesta. De acuerdo a simulacion dentro de un pla de modernizacion con BMP-3, nos gastariamos $ 200 millones.

        Plan D
        200 T-55MP 12.000.000
        100 T-59 7.000.000
        100 T-55-VCL 5.000.000
        100 T-72B 120.000.000
        100 BMP-3 45.000.000

        600 Unidades Total 189.000.000

        Chile tien una fuerza terrestre de 1000 tanques en la actualidad o la va atener en pocos años.
        El 2T stalker cuesta 1.5 mil, va bajando en cuanto producion esta subiendo, Russia lo va a designar BMP-5. la version IFV carga 7, creo que ordenaron 2,000 unidades. El plan de modernizacion me parece bien para las condiciones de ahora, pero si es que Chile adquiere los leo II vamos a necesitar algo mucho mejor, ningun T-72 por mas enchulado que este le va a poder retar, en ese caso hay que adquirir algo similar, esto seria leos II, challenger, leclerc o M1, preferiria leos II de similar prestacion, estan baratos para lo que traen.

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        • #19
          El 2T stalker cuesta 1.5 mil, va bajando en cuanto producion esta subiendo, Russia lo va a designar BMP-5. la version IFV carga 7, creo que ordenaron 2,000 unidades.
          que bueno, eso quiere decir que podrian aparecer ofertas por BMP-3 de stock .

          El plan de modernizacion me parece bien para las condiciones de ahora, pero si es que Chile adquiere los leo II vamos a necesitar algo mucho mejor, ningun T-72 por mas enchulado que este le va a poder retar, en ese caso hay que adquirir algo similar, esto seria leos II, challenger, leclerc o M1, preferiria leos II de similar prestacion, estan baratos para lo que traen.
          No seas injusto con el T-72 , es aun un MBT con proyecciones de modernizacion interesantes, por ejemplo el T-72-120 de Morozov es un ejemplo de lo que se puede hacer ,un arma de 120mm NATO(y creo que de 50 calibres osea superior al de 44 calibres del LEO2), con un FCS que no tiene nada que envidiar a un LEO2A4 y si no les gusta elñ cargador de carrusel pues con este se dan con el gusto pues su sistema es distinto ademas las opciones de mejoras de planta motriz y de proteccion adicional son variadas por lo que se puede jugar con el presupuesto para lograr algo interesante.

          ...por otro lado, la nueva ammo de 125mm tambien esta muy interesante y a mejorado mucho sus capacidad......punto que tambien debe ser analizado.

          ojo, no estoy diciendo que la opcion de T-72 sea "la solucion".

          salud 8O
          tanktech.wordpress.com

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          • #20
            Nuevamente en linea...

            Lo que pienso y en realidad lo converse con un pata de logistica del ejercito, es esto:

            1. Tomar 100 T-55, separar la torreta y colocarla en la plataforma del T-59 chino, que no es otra cosa que T-55 fabricado en china, con los artilujios que quieras. osea hay que comprara 100 plataformas de T-59 (sin torreta y cañon).

            2. Con las 100 plataformas del T-55 que sobran, se remotorizan y se dadaptan a VCI o APC., en algunos podemos colocar morteros bitubos, estan bonitos.

            Por eso de 100 salen 200.

            3. El T-72B es de los rusos y seria el nuevo MBT.

            De lo que veo el T-59 es el T-55

            The Type 59 main battle tank (MBT) is the Chinese copy of the Soviet T-54A. Its manufacturer designation is WZ-120. A total of 10,000 examples of various versions have been built by the First Inner Mongolia Machinery Factory (PLA codename: 617 Factory) located at Baotou, Inner Mongolia. The PLA is currently deploying around 5,500 Type 59 MBTs, most of which are the improved variant Type 59-I/II upgraded with Western technologies. The Type 59 family will continue to serve as the backbone of the PLA armoured troops in the next decade.


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            A D V E R T I S E M E N T

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            PROGRAMME

            The Type 59 main battle tank is a Chinese licensed production version of the Soviet T-54A. The Soviet Union and Chinese governments agreed on the transfer of T-54A technology in 1956. At the same time, the first tank manufacturing facility (617 Factory) was built up in Baotou, Inner Mongolia under the help of Soviet engineers. In 1958, the first Chinese-made T-54A using Soviet components rolled out from the assembly line.

            In 1959, 617 Factory began to build T-54As using indigenously made components. During the military parade in Beijing on 1st October 1959 to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the People's Republic of China, 32 Chinese-made T-54A tanks were revealed to the public for the first time. In later 1959, the tank was officially designated as Type 59.

            China has developed a series modified variants based on the Type 59, some of which are upgraded with Western technologies.

            VARIANTS

            Type 59: The basic variant. A T-54A clone.

            Type 59-I: Improved variant fitted with a Type 69-II 100 mm rifled gun, as well as a laser rangefinder, hydraulic servo-system, primitive fire control, automatic fire suppression system, and rubber track skirt. The Type 59-I includes several versions with different armour and fire control configurations.

            Type 59-II: Manufacturer designation WZ-120B. Upgraded to the 105 mm Type 81 (copy of the L7) rifled gun design provided by Austria. The most distinctive feature of the Type 59-II is that its barrel fume extractor was removed from the front-end to the middle of the barrel. Other improvements include new radio and fire suppression system. The batch production began in 1982 and stopped in 1985.

            Type 59-IIA: Fitted with thermal sleeve for 105 mm gun and some composite armor. Referred to as M-1984 by US Army. Variants include MBT, command tank, and mine-sweeper tank.

            Type 59 Gai: This is an experimental variant to test various Western technologies integrated on the Chinese-made MBT. Variants include: B59G and BW120K. The BW120K is fitted with an indigenously developed 120 mm smoothbore gun comparable in general performance to the US M-256.

            Type 59D: Also known as WZ-120C. The Type 59D was developed in the 1990s. Instead of replacing all ageing Type 59s in service with newer models, the PLA decided that they should be upgraded with new technologies to meet the requirements for future land battle.

            The Type 59D is fitted with explosive reactive armour, new tank gun, passive night vision, and new fire control. The 12150L diesel engine was also replaced by a 580 hp 12150L7 engine. Variants include Type 59D and Type 59D1.

            Type 59-125: Fitted with a 125mm smoothbore main gun. NORINCO is promoting this variant to the export market as a replacement of the ealy variants T-54/55 and Type 59.

            Other derivative includes the Type 73 tank recovery vehicle.

            DESIGN FEATURES

            The Type 59 has a cast turret and a conventional hull layout with four crewmembers. The turret is mounted in the middle and the engine compartment in the rear. The Type 59 has five large road metallic wheels. External fuel cells make the tank very vulnerable, as does its thin armor protection.

            ARMAMENT

            Early variants of the Type 59 is fitted with a Type 59 (Chinese copy of D-10T2S) 100 mm rifled gun. Ammunitions (34 rounds) include high explosive and armour piercing.

            The Type 59-I is fitted with a modified Type 69-II (Chinese copy of D-10TG) 100 mm rifled gun. Ammunitions (44 rounds) include high explosive, high explosive fragmentation, and armour piercing discarding sabot with tungsten core.

            The Type 59-II is fitted with a Type 81 105 mm rifled gun, which is a licensed product of the Israeli L7 gun. Ammunitions (44 rounds) include high explosive, high explosive fragmentation, and armour piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot.


            105 mm APFSDS rounds
            The Type 59D1 is fitted with a Type 79 rifled 105 mm tank gun with alumni composite thermal sleeve. The armour-piercing depth of APFSDS round is 460~510 mm.

            The Type 59D is fitted with a Type 83-I (also known as Type 83A) rifled 105 mm tank gun, which can also be found on the Type 88 MBT. The armour-piercing depth of APFSDS round is 460~510 mm. When using special (depleted uranium) rounds, the armour-piercing depth is close to 600 mm, which is better than the Russian T-90 and comparable to the Japanese Type 90.

            The Type 59D/D1 can also fire 105 mm gun-fired missiles. The missile has a maximum range of 5.2 km, and an armour-piercing depth of 700 mm. The missile can also be used to attack low-flying helicopters. In a fire test, the missile shot down a target unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) successfully at a distance of 4.8 km.

            Auxiliary weapons include one 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun and a 12.7 mm/50-calibre anti-aircraft machine gun mounted on the command cupola.

            Fire accuracy is attained by a computerised fire-control system, which includes a fire-control computer, light spot FCS with laser rangefinder input, and light spot gunner sight with passive night vision. Some Type 59Ds are also fitted with thermal image night vision.

            PROTECTION


            Basic variant Type 59
            Early variants of the Type 59 have relatively thin armour and are extremely vulnerable to ATGM and large calibre tank fire. The front armour of the hull and turret are 100 mm and 220 mm respectively.

            On the Type 59D, wheels and tracks are protected by rubber hull skirts. The turret is surrounded by storage racks to provide additional protections against HEAT projectiles. The turret and hull are also protected by FY series explosive reactive armour plates in front, which was said to be capable of resisting a hit by 105 mm tank gun at a distance of 2,000 m.

            The basic variant Type 59 does not have a collective NBC defensive system, and is only fitted with a semi-automatic/manual fire suppression system. The Type 59-I and later variants are fitted with automatic fire suppression system.

            There are four smoke grenade launchers on each side of the Type 59D's turret. Additional smoke can be generated by injecting diesel fuel in to the engine's exhaust. The crew of Type 59D are protected by automation fire detection and suppression systems.

            PROPULSION

            The Type 59/59-I/59-II/59-IIA are powered by a liquid cooled, turbocharged, 12-cylinder, 4-stroke 12150L diesel engine, which provide 520 hp. Torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers on the first and fifth roadwheels.

            The Type 59D has a modified 580 hp 12150L7 engine

            SPECIFICATIONS:

            Crew: 4
            Weight: 36.5~37 tons
            Engine: 520 hp 12150L diesel (or 580 hp 12150L7)
            Power/Weight Ratio: 10.6 kW/t
            Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
            Track: Metallic
            Suspension: Torsion bar
            Radio: A-220 receive/transmit radio with rod antenna, max range 16 km, frequency 20~22.375 MHz; or A-220A radio's frequency is 20~27.175 MHz
            Dimension: Length: 6.04 m; Height: 2.59 m; Width: 3.27 m
            Ground Pressure: 0.8 kg/cm 2
            Cruising Range: 440 km, or 600 km with external tanks
            Speed: Max road 50 km/h; average road speed: 30~33 km/h; max off-road 25 km/h; max swim N/A
            Fording Depths: 1.4 m (unprepared); 5.5 m (with snorkel)
            Main Gun: Type 59 100 mm rifled (34 rounds), Type 69-II 100 mm rifled (44 rounds), Type 79 105 mm rifled, Type 81 105 mm rifled, or Type 83-I 105 mm rifled (44 rounds)
            Gun Elevation/Depression: +18/-5 degree
            Gun Stablisation: Vertical (Type 59/59-I/59-II/59-IIA); Dual way (Type 59 Gai/59D/59D1)
            Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun; One 7.62 mm driver machine gun; one 12.7 mm air-defence machine gun
            Fire Control: (On some versions) Light spot fire control system; one/two way stabliser

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