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  • ¿F-16 Block 50 FAE?

    Fracasa una millonaria ‘venta estratégica’



    La Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana (FAE) solicitó a la Embajada de Estados Unidos una cotización para una probable compra de 24 aviones F-16 C/D Block 50, de medio uso (MLU), según lo revela el cable Nº 199357, remitido el 27 de marzo del 2009 desde Quito.

    El gobierno de Rafael Correa, después del bombardeo de Angostura el 1 de marzo del 2008, decidió apoyar a la FAE en la modernización de su obsoleta flota de aviones supersónicos de combate.

    La Embajada informó a Washington que el entonces comandante de la FAE, Rodrigo Bohórquez, pidió la cotización mediante un memorándum oficial de noviembre del 2008.

    El pedido de la FAE generó varias interrogantes dentro del cuerpo diplomático de EE.UU., que analizaba si la venta cumpliría los objetivos de la política de su gobierno, si habría el riesgo de una reacción negativa de otros países en la región o si el Gobierno ecuatoriano tendría capacidad de pago, pues el precio de las 24 aviones bordeaba los $ 800 millones. “No está claro si tendría suficientes fondos para hacer la compra de los F-16. Las prioridades del Gobierno ecuatoriano durante la recesión también trae la pregunta de si este dinero debería ser mejor gastado en otra cosa”, dice el cable.

    No obstante, la Embajada también analizó esta propuesta como una oportunidad para mejorar las relaciones con los militares ecuatorianos, que para entonces ya registraban cierto distanciamiento, y evitar el acercamiento de Ecuador a otros países. “La venta de los F-16 ayudaría a mantener una relación de militares a militares entre EE.UU. y Ecuador, de más largo plazo, y evitar que Ecuador los compre a Rusia, Francia, o China”, dice el documento.

    En el mismo cable diplomático, la Embajada hace referencias a la sofisticada tecnología de los F-16. Menciona bombas guiadas por GPS, municiones por láser, así como también avanzados misiles aire-aire, que los vecinos de Ecuador (Colombia y Perú) puedan ver como “un cambio en el balance de poder regional”

    Sin embargo, también se consideró la ventaja que representaría para Washington el conocer el tipo de armamento de las Fuerzas Armadas.

    “La venta de los F-16 también posibilitará que EE.UU. tenga bajo control la capacidad de las armas usadas en los aviones de combate de Ecuador”.

    El ministro de Defensa, Javier Ponce, dijo ayer que desconoce de la cotización solicitada por la FAE a la Embajada, pero que no le sorprendía, pues el Ministerio barajó alternativas en España, Francia, Rusia, cuando decidió renovar la flota supersónica. Finalmente, esta cartera de Estado compró 12 aviones de combate Cheetah a Sudáfrica, en agosto del 2010, por $ 80 millones, y dio de baja 16 aviones Mirage obsoletos.

    Ponce informó que los tres primeros aviones sudafricanos fueron embarcados con destino al país la semana pasada y que llegarían en los próximos días.

    http://www.eluniverso.com/2011/04/15...trategica.html


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    Comentario: Lo que revela Wikilieaks !! ... y lo importante no descartado por Ponce.

    Pero en fin, es de suponerse que con el bajon que han tenido las relaciones USA-Ecuador y la compra de Chetaah el tema ya pierda toda vigencia.

    Uff ¿se imaginan a Ecuador con F-16 Block 50?...

    Saludos
    Editado por última vez por HernanSCL; https://www.defensa.pe/member/1892-hernanscl en 19/04/11, 22:44:38.

  • #2
    Cable 199357:

    La Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana (FAE) solicitó a la Embajada de Estados Unidos una cotización para una probable compra de 24 aviones F-16, de medio uso, según lo revela este cable, remitido el 27 de marzo del 2009 desde Quito.



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    C O N F I D E N T I A L QUITO 000216

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: TWENTY YEARS
    TAGS: PREL, MARR, MASS, MOPS, EC
    SUBJECT: SLOW-ROLLING THE GOE REQUEST TO PURCHASE F-16S

    REF: QUITO 178

    Classified By: Ambassador Heather M. Hodges for Reasons 1.4 (b&d)

    1. (C) Summary: The Ecuadorian Air Force (FAE) Commander
    signed an official memorandum on November 25, 2008 requesting
    a quote from the U.S. on the cost of purchasing 24 F-16 C/D
    Block 50 Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) aircraft, with the intention
    of replacing its outdated fighter fleet. Post delayed
    forwarding the request due to bilateral tensions and the
    expectation that the GOE would decide to direct its resources
    elsewhere; however, the FAE has continued to express an
    interest in a response. Although the request is only for a
    quote at this time, initiating discussions on the sale of
    advanced fighter aircraft to Ecuador raises the question of
    how such a sale would meet USG policy goals and the potential
    for a negative reaction by other countries in the region.
    The sale of F-16s would help maintain a longer term
    U.S.-Ecuador military to military relationship, and keep
    Ecuador from making the purchase from Russia, France, or
    China. However, Ecuador's historic instability, current
    leftist government, recent tensions with the U.S., and
    economic woes also raise the question of its ability to pay
    and the wisdom of the purchase, as well as its ultimate
    objectives. The Embassy seeks guidance from Washington on
    whether providing a price quote, with the potential for a
    future sale, supports USG policy goals. (End Summary)

    The GOE Makes Its Request

    2. (C) The Embassy received an official memorandum dated
    November 25, 2008. from the FAE requesting a price quote for
    the potential purchase of two squadrons of F-16 C/D Block 50
    MLU (24 total) aircraft. Although Post thought the GOE might
    lose interest in the aircraft, subsequent verbal inquiries
    have confirmed that the FAE still wants the information. In
    meetings with several FAE generals, we are told that the
    Ecuadorian military is looking to replace fully its current
    Israeli KFIR and French Mirage fleet, which are both over 30
    years old. The FAE currently has 33 out-of-commission
    Mirages and KFIRs and three functional KFIRs. Initial
    estimates of price are in excess of $800 million. The
    request for a price quote would allow the FAE to include this
    information in its proposal for 2010 and subsequent budgets.

    Policy Concerns

    3. (C) It is not clear whether U.S. policy will allow the
    transfer of associated weapons systems for use by F-16s in
    Ecuador. F-16 Block 50 aircraft are capable of employing the
    US Air Force,s (USAF) most sophisticated and advanced
    weapons technology, such as Joint Direct Attack Munition
    GPS-guided bombs and laser guided munitions, as well as our
    most advanced air-to-air missiles. Although it is extremely
    unlikely that the GOE would use the aircraft or technology
    against the U.S., Ecuador has a history of political
    instability which could present a concern for regional
    conflicts.

    4. (C) Selling the F-16 to Ecuador, due to the high cost of
    the package and subsequent need for maintenance, would help
    in maintaining FAE-USAF ties for the next 30 years.
    Furthermore, if the U.S. does not sell the F-16 and if the
    GOE decides to move forward on the purchase of fighter
    aircraft, the GOE could engage Russia, France or China, who
    would have no issues in selling their aircraft. The Embassy
    notes that it may be in the USG,s interest to strengthen the
    military relationship through sales in general, rather than
    having the GOE go elsewhere, but the significance of F-16s
    merits careful consideration. Selling the F-16 also would
    enable the U.S. to control the weapons capability used on
    Ecuador's fighter aircraft.

    Regional Impact

    5. (C) Ecuador,s regional neighbors may perceive Ecuador,s
    acquisition of the F-16s as a change in the regional balance
    of power. Specifically, the history of conflict with Peru,
    plus the March 1 Colombian attack in Ecuador and Ecuador,s
    refusal to re-establish diplomatic relations with Colombia,
    could cause regional U.S. allies to question the sale.
    However, Peru has one of Russia,s most advanced fighters,
    the SU-27, in its inventory, and Colombia recently completed
    the acquisition of the most advanced Israeli KFIR.

    Where,s the Money?

    6. (C) Reflecting reduced oil revenues, Defense Minister
    Javier Ponce announced on December 22 that the GOE will
    reduce military spending by updating existing equipment,
    setting a ceiling on military retirement pay, and selling off
    non-defense related companies currently owned by the
    military. Yet, the GOE has already made several commitments
    for the acquisition of military equipment. The GOE spent
    $631 million in almost two years ($463 million in 200 to
    acquire a Legacy 600 presidential plane, 24 Brazilian Super
    Tucanos, seven Indian HAL Dhruv helicopters, jeeps, 14 boats,
    two Leander class frigates, and other equipment and
    munitions. The GOE has also told Embassy officials of its
    strong interest in the purchase of two C-130Js at an
    estimated cost of $240 million. The Ecuadorian military
    announced the potential purchase of radars from the Chinese
    government-owned Chinese Electronics Technology Corporation
    (CETC) for use in the northern border region, at a cost of
    $60 million (reftel). With all these announced purchases of
    weapons, and with the global economic crisis and the price of
    Ecuadorian oil at approximately $48 per barrel, it is unclear
    whether the GOE would have sufficient funds to make the
    purchase of F-16s. The priorities for the GOE during the
    economic downturn also raises the question of whether this
    money should be best spent elsewhere.

    7. (C) High level Ecuadorian military officials have
    privately told Embassy officials that the Minister of Defense
    has instructed the Ecuadorian Joint Command to pursue any
    acquisitions of military equipment from China, Russia or
    Iran. However, FAE leadership continues to stress the
    strategic benefits of purchasing the F-16s from the U.S.

    Comment

    8. (C) The purchase of the Super Tucanos and C-130s makes
    more strategic sense for Ecuador in the patrol and protection
    of its borders. The Embassy would like to avoid, however,
    having to deny Ecuador,s request for only a price quote,
    noting that an ultimate sale could take up to three years,
    and that a price quote represents no commitment to make a
    sale. The Embassy will attempt to guide the Ecuadorian
    military in making strategic decisions on the purchase of
    military equipment. Meanwhile, with the economic challenges
    faced by the GOE and already announced reductions of military
    spending, it is likely that the GOE will determine that
    pursuing the purchase of fighter aircraft is not in its own
    best interest at this time. The Embassy requests guidance
    from Washington on whether providing a price quote, with the
    potential for a future sale, supports USG policy goals.

    HODGES

    =======================CABLE ENDS============================
    Saludos

    Comentario


    • #3
      Por dicova del FMG:


      1.- Se trata de 12 F-16 nuevos (B-50) y 12 MLU's(Tape-4 en teoría o algo así, concordante con lo que tiene Chile)...de hecho esto pasó en épocas cercanas a las fotos del Gral. Bohorquez en F-16 de la FACh...y los chilenos nos asesoraban al respecto en estos temas (foto de marzo del 2008 ).

      2.- La idea era reemplazar los "viejos" cazas por tecnología nueva y a 30 años (Proyecto Senplades) en un solo modelo multirol, sin un stop gap....pero como no se pudo, se recurrió a los Cheetahs.
      3.- ¿¿¿ Quién dijo que la negociación de los F-16 y otros modelos está ya cerrada o cancelada ???....yo que ustedes, mejor no daría nada por seguro ni me negaría a la posibilidad de que esta u otra compra se de.
      El tiempo será quien diga si tengo o no razón...pero por si las dudas, no se lamenten de aquello que todavía no tuvo desenlace final, ni en un sentido, ni en otro.
      Saludos cordiales.
      Cita referencial... Reacciones al cable en diferentes espacios.

      Saludos

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      • #4
        Dejame ver si entendi, en el parrafo 5 dice que Peru tiene el Su27???
        O es tan malo mi ingles
        Saludos

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        • #5
          serian solo MLU.. empezando por el precio.. y segundo dice F16 MLU block 50 y esa denominación ya la he leído .. tanto en wikiliks de Chile y otros países y se refiere solo a los MLU.. supongo que Block 50 se podría traducir a T4
          yo no soy marinero, yo no soy marinero,soy capitán, soy capitán, soy capitán :B

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